On October 4, 2001, it was 16 years ago, Ukraine shot down the Russian passenger aircraft of the Tu-154M airline "Siberia" over the Black Sea, who fleesing Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk. All who was on board were killed.
Forgotten for years of catastrophe over the Black Sea, as a result, 78 people of Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk died, and now did not find his logical completion. Recognizing his guilt, Ukraine did not pay compensation for the Russian airline Siberia in the amount of $ 15 million, limiting payments of $ 200,000 for each deceased Israelis and Russian. To bring down-shot, but we will not answer in full - this is in the style of the current policy of Kiev.
SBI1812 Planned flight on the Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk, held in the morning of October 4, 2001 from David Ben Gurion Airport to Tolmachevo Airport, interrupted after 1 hour and 45 minutes flight. The liner was at an altitude of 11 thousand meters and was already going to start a decline in the airport of Sochi, where the intermediate refueling fuel should have occurred. Before landing in Russian resort town About 200 kilometers remained, when the crew recorded the fact of his plane hitting the rocket and managed to send several alarm buttons to the ether. The missile has no reason to deviate from the striking action of the rocket to interception, the pilots have only managed to notice that they are attacked.
As is well known, at this time, in the territory of Cape, Opuk in Crimea passed the teachings of WFA of Ukraine, which were attended by including foreign observers. Archers for academic air targets were carried out including from C-200B complexes, the rocket of which and mistakenly struck civilian.
"Angry intent in a shot down Tu-154 above the Black Sea in 2001, it was difficult to assume, rather, it was not," says the military expert Vladislav Shurygin. - Then there was no such number of negativity in the brains of Ukrainian citizens in relation to the Russians. Especially since it was international Rays, on board the aircraft were in the main citizens of Israel and Ukraine would not risen to go on such a major scandal, from which could not be rejected. The reason is seen in the other - by that time, already as ten years in the troops of Ukraine, graduates of specialized military schools did not receive, and many of the operating officers could either quit, or left for Russia. Most likely that the C-200V complex operator was simply not professionally prepared, the plus was under psychological pressing of the high bosses, which required to show skill in the eyes of foreign observers. All this could lead to the fact that instead of an educational goal, located 60 kilometers, the operator brought the rocket to goal, which was at a distance of 250-300 kilometers - confused! The main thing was faster to start starting and showing the vastness of Ukrainian peevoshnikov. The result is known. "
After the catastrophe, Kiev immediately went to the "non-scribed" and for a long time he was rejected from participating in the tragedy of his rocket.
"The tragedies, when a civilian plane becomes a victim of the military (for various reasons) is not so rare," said Media Consultant Alexander Zimovsky. - In such cases there is an iron rule: deny everything. In addition, the great powers can afford one more liberty. To justify the destruction of the civil aircraft, recognizing its military incident. So behave, for example, Americans. Remember the Iranian airbus, which was hit by a rocket from the American cruiser "Vinsennes"?
Then 290 people died, the ship commander was ordered.
Ukraine, as a third-paced country, can not afford such a luxury. Therefore, in the case of the destruction of Tu-154 over the Black Sea in 2001, Kiev went into full "non-scold." All the circumstances of the tragedy are well acquainted, because in 2001 our television company reported that a passenger aircraft was shot down by Ukrainian SPC during the shooting in Crimea. I myself supervised this special news about news, and conducted factsing on the basis of these American tracking and alert systems. They immediately pointed to the Ukrainian origin of the rocket, which shot down the aircraft flew out of Tel Aviv.
In the future, Ukrainian commander and officials went to failure. But then, in the first few hours, with fear, almost all those involved in the Ukrainian side did not dispute what happened. The command of the VSU recognized the fact of the teachings, and the conduct of the archery in the specified area, and the loss of control over the fastened rocket on the part of the combat calculation of the SPC. And even preserved in the Ukrainian military folklore, the team of the Minister of Defense Kuzmuk commander SPK, expressed doubt about the captured goal: "Squeeze it on x ..!"
. Two weeks later, Kuzmuk was removed from office.
In that fateful day at the Polygon, the opaque set the show for the president of Kuchma. The Minister of Defense Minister of Ukraine, General Army Army, Kuzmuk, was the commander-in-chief of the air defense police of Ukraine, Colonel-General Vladimir Tkachev and his deputy for combat training General Lieutenant Vladimir Dyakov, Commander of the 49th Ukrainian Corps Lieutenant General Kalinyuk. Kuchma was saved only that he was "sick" on the eve (it often happened to him), and did not arrive at the landfill. However, he never denied the incident itself or the fault of Ukraine in what happened. Let even with an indispensable reservation about the random of the tragedy. "
Then, following the results of the official investigation of the tragedy in the sky over the Black Sea "left" to resign many of the high-ranking military having even an indirect attitude towards a Russian aircraft shot down. At the same time, none of them was given to the court - everyone was separated by the censure. Moreover, Ukraine has put forward all this time and put forward the version of its innocence to the incident and, despite the results of the investigations, "pursues" the version of the inner explosion aboard the civil aircraft. Yes, and today, in the next anniversary, no one remembers the terrible tragedy in Kiev - such a "accuracy" of Ukrainian air defense is clearly not in honor.
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The commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee (MAC) after studying the fragments concluded that the liner "unintentionally struck" the Zenit Rocket C-200 "Earth-Air", launched by the Air Defense forces of Ukraine, which was held on that day military exercises at the Cape of Opuk in the Crimea. It was assumed that the operator of the zenith complex, finding several objects in the sky, did not determine the distance to the target and the "highlighted" (for determining the rocket), a more powerful object, which turned out to be Tu-154. And the training goal at this time was at a closer distance, but less noticeable than the plane.
Five minutes after the plane was shot down, it was handed over to the open bonds of the VSU. Then the Americans immediately shared information about the launch of the rocket.
At the same time, the Minister of Defense of Ukraine first, Alexander Kuzmuk, stated that on October 4, the teachings of the air defense troops did not take place. And in the press service of the Navy of Ukraine reported that the exercises were still held, but began after the plane crash, which turned out to be lies.
On October 9, the representative of the Catastrophe Investigation Commission stated: An analysis of the blades in the fuselage showed that the aircraft could be amazed by the molecule of the air defense complex C-200 "Earth-air", as the size and shape of the slopes are quite consistent with the shrothels of the fragmentation fugasal combat part of the rocket of this particular complex .
President of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma on October 10, 2001 so answered journalists to questions about the causes of the aircraft crash
- See what is happening around in the world, in Europe? We are not the first and not the last, you do not need to do from this tragedy. Errors are everywhere, and not only such a scale, but a much larger, planetary scale. If we do not omit yourself below the civilized level, everything will be fine. And if we are on yourself a bucket of dirt, you ask so grace.
The death of the Passenger Boeing Above the Donbass in the summer of 2014 was far from the first case of the destruction of the passenger airliner by means of air defense. The most loud of such disasters were the death of South Korean "Boeing", shot down by the Soviet fighter over the Tatar Strait in 1983, and the destruction of the American military airliner A-300 over the Persian Bay in 1988.
In the shade of these cases, there remains a tragedy that happened during the period when the "Cold War" managed to forget, and the new round of confrontation was still ahead.
In the autumn of 2001, immediately after the terrorist attacks on September 11, the world seemed to rod in a single impulse of the fight against international terrorism. The events that walked in the sky over the Black Sea on October 4, 2001, also at first were perceived as an elimination of extremists. However, as was established later, they had a completely different nature.
On the morning of October 4, 2001, from the International Airport named after David Ben-Gurion, Tu-154m flew in Israel on-board number RA-85693. The aircraft belonged to the Russian airline "Siberia" performed the flight SBI 1812 on the Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk route. On board were 66 passengers and 12 crew members.
The flight passed calmly until 13:45 Moscow time. At that moment, Tu-154 disappeared from radar screens. The plane was at an altitude of 11,000 meters by about 200 kilometers south-west of Sochi.
Almost immediately, the dispatchers received a message from the ARMAVIA an-24 Airlines in the same area. The pilot reported to observed a bright outbreak on a higher echelone.
"There is no reason not to trust the Ukrainian side"
After that, the doubts that the catastrophe occurred was practically not. The location of the alleged drop in the aircraft in the Black Sea came out rescue ships, and also flew the planes of the Ministry of Defense and the Federal Border Guard Service.
On the surface of the water found debris of Tu-154 and the bodies of the dead people. At the same time, most of the structures of the aircraft, as well as the remains of the dead went on the bottom.
In the place where the Russian aircraft fell, the depth of the Black Sea exceeds 2000 meters, and the bottom is strongly condensed. In the future, this fact will play an important role in this story.
By the time of the Tu-154 catastrophe passed less than a month from the moment of the terrorist attack on New York. In addition, the plane made a flight from Tel Aviv, so I immediately arose a version of the bomb on board.
Unlike history, which happened in 2014, in 2001, the United States did not seek to classify the data on the catastrophe.
Thanks to the leakage of this information in the media, after a few hours, the United States television company informed sensational information: the Russian liner was obviously shot down by the regime of the Ukrainian C-200 air defense complex launched during military exercises.
Initially, the Russian side, relying on the information received from Kiev, a similar opportunity denied.
"First, in advance all the necessary services in Ukraine were informed. Secondly, the weapon that was used at this time, on tactical and technical data could not get air corridors in which our aircraft was located ... In any case, there is no reason not to trust the Ukrainian side, "the catastrophe said russian President Vladimir Putin.
"Where did you get?!"
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, in turn, confirmed that at the Polygon on the Cape of Opuk, training firing of anti-aircraft complexes was carried out, during which 23 rockets were issued. The exercises were attended by representatives of Russia and other states. It was confirmed that the C-200 complex was also used, however, it was argued that he could not hit the Tu-154 Siberia airline.
However, on October 5 prime Minister of Ukraine Anatoly Kinahe stated that the version of the rocket in the aircraft "has the right to exist."
Together with Russian specialists, Israeli experts worked. Special attention was attracted by the data recorded by the tape recorder automated control Air traffic "Arrow".
At 13:45, the tape recorder recorded a signal corresponding to the crew external communicationaccompanied by an emotional cry. Over the next seconds, the external communication button has been pressed several times, due to which noise and screams on board were fixed. I managed to disassemble and the phrase "Where did you get?!", Which someone crashed from pilots.
On October 9, the representative of the Catastrophe Investigation Commission stated: An analysis of the blades in the fuselage showed that the aircraft could be amazed by the molecule of the air defense complex C-200 "Earth-air", as the size and shape of the slopes are quite consistent with the shrothels of the fragmentation fugasal combat part of the rocket of this particular complex .
"We are not the first and not the last"
By this time, the rescuers reported: raise the bulk of the fuselage from the bottom is unlikely to succeed - at the heated bottom at a depth two kilometers visibility almost zero, and it is almost impossible to lead work.
October 10 deputy Prosecutor General Sergey Freidinsky He stated that the forensic medical examination of the bodies raised from the water showed that all the victims died from Barotrauma. This meant that the liner was rapidly destroyed at a high height. The presence of dead carbon monoxide in the blood said that a fire arose on board.
The aggregate of facts did not doubt - Tu-154 destroyed by an anti-aircraft missile.
On the same day, journalists asked president of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, Whether he agrees with the conclusions of Russian experts. The president replied that they would take those conclusions that would finally approve a joint working group.
At this, Kuchma did not stop and uttered the words that were held in history: "See what is happening around in the world, in Europe ... We are not the first and not the last, you do not need to make tragedy from it. Errors are everywhere, and not only such a scale, but a much larger, planetary scale. If we do not omit themselves below the civilized level, everything will be fine. And if we are on yourself a bucket of dirt with a closer, so please ".
The words of the President of Ukraine called, to put it mildly, misunderstanding. The press service of Israel's Prime Minister distributed the following answer: "When the dead is not a representative of your people, then it is probably possible to make such academic conclusions. 78 people died, most of which were Israelis - for us it is the greatest tragedy. "
Erroneous "backlight"
The final conclusion of the Interstate Aviation Committee said that the aircraft was unintentionally shot down by the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile C-200, launched during military exercises in the Crimea.
The S-200 anti-aircraft missile complex uses a semi-active guidance system when the radiation source serves as a powerful ground radar ("target illumination") and the rocket is focused on the signal reflected from the target.
During the exercises on October 4, 2001, the TY-154 aircraft accidentally ended up in the center of the alleged sector of the educational goal, and had a radial speed close to it, as a result of which he was detected by the Radar of the C-200 system and was accepted for the training goal.
The operator of the C-200 complex, who worked in the presence of high-ranking officers of several countries, was renovated and instead of a small-billing school "highlighted" passenger Tu-154. At the same time, the airliner was in the zone that was not declared for the prohibited during the shooting and in which the rocket of the C-200 complex in its characteristics could affect the goal.
Twenty days later defense Minister of Ukraine Alexander Kuzmukhe was resigned. Another number of Ukrainian generals and colonels were fired from service or lowered in ranks, but there was no official binding of human actors to the death of the Russian airliner.
In contrast to the investigation of the deaths of the PN-17 of the Donbass, a consequence of the case of a catastrophe Tu-154 over the Black Sea, there was no need for evidence to demonstrate "cartoons" and dubious photos from the Internet. According to experts, the collected data was enough to win the process against Ukraine in the International Court.
Compensation without guilt
However, at that time, the top leadership of Russia considered that the case must be resolved. Moreover, Ukraine expressed an open desire to this.
On December 26, 2003, Russia and Ukraine signed an agreement on the settlement of claims, according to which $ 7.8 million were transferred to relatives to relatives of the dead Russian passengers. Ukraine has signed a similar agreement with Israel, which was paid 7.5 million dollars.
Payment of compensation was carried out by EX GRATIA, that is, without recognizing legal responsibility. Thus, Israel and Russia agreed that Ukraine will retain a person without recognizing the guilt for the destruction of Tu-154 officially.
In September 2004, the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine closed a criminal case on the fact of the catastrophe, since the investigation did not establish objective data that would reliably indicated that the Tu-154 is shot down by the C-200 missile, launched during the teachings of the Ukrainian air defense troops.
The tactics of the Ukrainian side is such - once the main part of the aircraft remained at the bottom of the Black Sea, then it is impossible to consider the fact that the aircraft can not be detected by the aircraft. And to make a claim to Ukraine at the state level late - the question is resolved "Pulisko" back in 2003.
This Putin is to blame
Such intergovernmental agreements did not suit many relatives of the dead. Some united compensation was insufficient, others generally believed that it was not in the money, but in punishment of the perpetrators.
Especially for such persistent, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine ordered an examination in 2008, which announced the conclusions of the poppy insolvenge. According to Ukrainian experts, the C-200 complex could not knock down Tu-154. Experts did not exclude that the source of the aircraft's defeat could be both outside and inside the liner, in particular, to be an explosive device, placed "between the ceiling of the inside of the aircraft" and its outer shell.
Based on this conclusion in 2011, a lawsuit of Kiev was rejected by $ 15 million, filed by the Siberia Airlines to the Ministry of Defense and the State Staff of Ukraine.
But that's not all. In the early 2010s, "investigations" appeared in the Ukrainian media, the authors of which argued that the air defense error had a place, but the culprits were not Ukrainian, but the Russian military.
Especially actively this version began to be worked out after February 2014, and especially after the death of Boeing over the Donbass.
According to this version, Tu-154 was supposedly knocked down by the C-300 complex belonging to the Russian army. After that, according to supporters of this theory, Russian President Vladimir Putin secretly agreed with the head of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma that the Ukrainian side for certain financial preferences "will take blame for themselves."
The adepts of this version are based on the solution of Ukrainian courts, which is based on the conclusions of Ukrainian experts.
It would be possible to avoid all this if Russia had notiforated in the early 2000s, the illusions regarding the preservation of good-neighborly relations with Ukraine, for whom, and in fact, in 2003, the agreement on the settlement of the claim was concluded. But what is done, then done.
Most of those who have lost their relatives and loved ones on October 4, 2001 cannot come to their graves - the workplace for passengers and members of the Tu-154 crew has become the bottom of the Black Sea. And over the memory of the victims of the Ukrainian "experts", journalists and politicians join the memory of the dead. But, on the advice of President Kuchma - "No need to do from this tragedy."
Putin and the Kremlin OGS are obliged to incur punishment also for the shot down TU 154. Former Patorg KPU L. Kuchma is making a lot about it. But, the truth will still break into the world when Mordor's fall:And the aircraft Tu-154 in 2001 is shot down by the Russians complex C-300There is a worldwide preparation for the International Tribunal. The Russian Federation is not the first to try to get away from responsibility for shot down passenger aircraft. To lie, dust, fence - it's so painfully familiar. On October 4, 2001, the FFA of the Russian Federation rocket C-300 was shot down passenger Tu-154. Recall this mystery in the article Mikhail Prichila Nius only what was silent. Only verified information from the materials of the court cases. Enjoy!
Let me remind you on October 4, 2001 at 9 o'clock 49 - 50 minutes in Greenwich in the Black Sea was shot down by the airline airline Siberia, onboard RA-85693, flight SBI1812 following the route Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk. According to the conclusion Russian Interstate Aviation Committee (MAC), at an altitude of 11 thousand meters, the aircraft was unintended by the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile C-200. All 66 passengers and 12 crew killed. " Everything else is covered by a mystery.
Now you will see the reader that the Tu-154 aircraft most likely shot down the Russians, but why Ukraine politically took it on himself - it is necessary to ask Kuchma and Kuzmuk. In the future, the courts did not confirm that the plane was shot down by the Ukrainian rocket. The question of which rocket was shot down the plane - still remains open.
We will only talk about facts as those that are in the materials of court cases, and why there are no one. But, as they say, the presence of the presence of the lack of availability is also a fact.
On October 4, 2001, training center for the Black Sea Fleet of the 31st Research Center of the Black Sea Fleet of the 31st research center held training shooting. Those. In the area of \u200b\u200bCape Opuk.
We released 23 rockets. Various. They shot Russians, fired ours. Ground anti-aircraft missile systems were used C-200, C-300, C-125, the buk, cube, the Ukrainian ships of the "Sagaidachnyh" frigate and Corvette "Lutsk", as well as the ship of the Russian ChF of the Russian Federation "Inquisitive".
It all turns out for some reason outside the frame. Like Putin himself that the plane could not be shot down by the Ukrainian rocket. These scout words said immediately after the incident, I, as a counterintelligence, are known as the "moment of truth". When a person is not lying.
In the future, a political decision was made that the missile was Ukrainian and MacA approved this political decision.
The courts repeatedly considered the claims of relatives and the actual Russian airline "Siberia" to Ukraine and all the courts, after the study of evidence refused to admit that the plane hit the Ukrainian rocket, for the simple reason that the Ukrainian rocket could not do this, which was confirmed by the relevant examination.
But no one ever considered the question of which rocket was shot down the plane.
All the ships participating in the teachings and launchers participating in the teachings were not surveyed. This is not in the materials of court decisions.
But this is, this is the conclusion of the Kiev Research Institute of Judicial Examination. Since I once served as a focused special department of the KGB of the USSR and served as part of the air defense, with C-300 complexes, C-200 and C-75, incl. With nuclear warheads, I fully agree with this conclusion.
Firstly, the rocket, hitting the plane, exploded on top of the aircraft, at a height of about 15 meters, and a half meters to the middle of the middle of the rear passenger salon. You see from above !! Over the aircraft! By the way, no one saw the top of the aircraft. (see paragraph 1, 17 of the Expert Wandering of the KPI Coviet Ekschetis, below)
And what rocket attacks the plane from above you know? C-300. And who shot a rocket C-300? The Rocket of the C-300 was shot at the same time part of the air defense of the Russian Federation. Simultaneously with our.
And how fast is the C-300 rocket fly? 2000 m / s, i.e., one and a half times faster than the Rocket C-200, and the C-300 can fly 50 km in 30 seconds, which coincides with the data on the stitching of the RLS "Gelendzhik" of the object 50 km from Tu-154 for 30 seconds before the catastrophe (see paragraph 5 of the Expert Vesnka KPDi Cudvih Ekspertis)
HANDATION C-300 - semi-active - i.e. Rocket capturing the goal goes on it itself, she does not need a target illumination locator, but the Rocket C-200 is needed, such a locator is needed if the target locator is turned off, the rocket 5V28 will go to the height of self-destruction (see paragraph 8 of the Expertis KRUN
Consequently, it's time to go to interview Kuzmuk, who in vain attributed a shot passenger aircraft. He did not do this and could not do.
The whole investigation of the poppy was in one direction - to prove the guilt of Ukraine. But who actually did it - no one was looking for. Relatives of the dead believe Putin.
Examination of the Kiev Research Institute of Judicial Examination (the original in the Ukrainian language can be read by reference.)
The main purpose of the appointment of this examination by the court was a study by expertly by the possibility of impression 04.10.2001 ... at 12.45 h. The Tu-154M aircraft, which belonged to the plaintiff, an anti-aircraft registered rocket 5B28, which was launched during the teachings of the military air defense system of Ukraine from the starting position of the rocket Complex C-200B, located in the area of \u200b\u200bFeodosia at 09. 41 Red 20 sec ..
Decision of the economic court. Kiev completely reject the lawsuit based, in particular, on the results of the examination of the Kiev Research Institute of Forensic Examination. The court was invited to submit their proposals on issues that are subject to decision during the examination, and, taking into account this, the following issues were delivered to the decision by experts by the court (with a brief review of expertise result):
1. If we assume that the Tu-154m aircraft was shot down by a 5V28 rocket of the C-200V's anti-aircraft missile complex, then the bouquet part of the combat part 5B14Sh rocket 5V28 anti-aircraft missile complex C-200V at an altitude of 15 m above the aircraft hull and 1 5 m on the left of the central part of the rear passenger salon, as indicated in the conclusions of the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee?
Point of undermining the combat part of the Rocket Spr C-200V could not hold the place specified in the conclusions.
2. How were located in airspace October 4, 2001 Tu-154m aircraft OJSC Siberia Airlines, An-24 "Armenian Airlines" and "Airbus", who flees on the Tbilisi-London route, at the time of the start of the shooting of S-200V Sprink, according to the photocontrol of radar stations which surveillance airspace in the exercise area and outside the closed zone?
At the time of starting the Rocket of S-200 VK on the target, the Tu-154M aircraft was at a distance of more than 270 km under azimuth of 155 ° relative to the CP of the landfill. The target was at a distance of 38 km under the azimuth of 145 ° relative to the Polygon CP.
3. It is possible to determine the direction and trajectory of the flight of the Rocket 5B28 based on the materials of the radar stations, which were made on October 4, 2001 observations of airspace in the area of \u200b\u200bthe exercises and outside the closed zone, and in the materials of objective control of the RLK "Gelendzhik", if so, then the flight direction rockets?
There are no data in the RTQ control materials that would have helped to fully determine the flight path of the 5V28 rocket flight from the moment it is started until the elimination. There are no data that would confirm the finding of the rocket near the aircraft at the time of its crash.
4. Complies with the data of objective control recorded on the phototable of radar stations, which were conducted on October 4, 2001 observations of the airspace in the area of \u200b\u200bthe exercises and outside the closed zone and in the materials of objective control of the RLK "Gelendzhik", the conclusions of the Russian Interstate Aviation Committee for the defeat of the Tu-154M aircraft belonging to the plaintiff, the 5V28 rocket of the C-200 VP of the air defense units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
No, do not respond.
5. According to the objective control of the RLK "Gelendzhik" on October 4, 2001, an unknown object was observed in airspace, which was moving toward the Tu-154m aircraft, belonging to the plaintiff, at a distance of 49.9 km 30 seconds before the aircraft defeat. If we assume that an unknown object was a rocket 5V28 S-200 VP of the Ukrainian air defense units, then the rocket could be indicated in 30 seconds in its TTX to overcome the distance to the aircraft for 49.9 km and hit it?
Rocket 5V28 in its TTX could not be overcome in 30 seconds the distance to the aircraft for 49.9 km and hit it.
6. What conclusions can be made according to the results of the analysis of the possible trajectory of the 5V28 rocket flight and its compliance with the conclusions of the Interstate Aviation Committee; Possible variables of misses when you hover the rocket on the Tu-154m plane and the operating conditions of the 5V28 radio filse?
The Flight Trajectory Limited in the MAC Flight Trajectory 5B28 does not fully comply with the principles of functioning of S-200V SP. And used by experts MAC modeling method is not justified.
7. Was online 04.10.2001 before carrying out a combat shooting, a technically good anti-aircraft missile complex S-200V and 5V28 rocket and whether it was possible for their technical condition to carry out the combat shooting by the complex and rocket?
Thus, the technical condition of the S-200V and 5V28 Rocket and Rocket allowed the combat firing on the flight "Flight".
8. What was the detection and maintenance range of C-200V radio equipment and other radio equipment involved during the exercises on October 4, 2001 of the aircraft-connecting aircraft BP-3 "Reis", aircraft Tu-154m, owned by the plaintiff, An-24 "Armenian Airlines "and" Airbus ", following the route" Tbilisi-London ", at the time of the launch of the 5V28 missile?
Radiotechnical facilities S-200V Spr Action found and accompanied only the target BP-3 "Flight" and did not show and did not accompany other aircraft. The Tu-154m aircraft was 270 km and there was only RLS P-14 radio engineering battalion in g. Kerch.
Considering the fact that the BP-3 "Flight" target was destroyed by S-300PS Spring, 11 km from S-200B Spring (12 h. 42 minutes), then accompany it in further radio equipment C-200V there was no physical opportunity, so The radiation of the RPC signal was discontinued at 12 o'clock. 42 min. 20 s.
9. There were opportunities in radiotechnical media S-200V, other radio equipment involved during exercises 04.10.2001, recognition of the state affiliation of the Aircraft BP-3 "Flight", Tu-154m aircraft, An-24?
The aircraft Tu-154M was equipped with an outdated instrumentalization of state-owned state affiliation "silicon-2m". According to the control, from the aircraft Tu-154m, the signal "I my" is missing throughout the entire route of its flight to the disaster point.
If the Tu-154m plane answered the request, then the "Start" team would be blocked and the rocket would not be launched.
10. The conclusions of Russian specialists are confirmed that the radar support of the Tu-154M aircraft was carried out by the radar of the anti-aircraft missile complex C-200V until the rocket was undermined, the total rocket flight time was 220 seconds for which it overcame the distance of about 240 kilometers to the point of defeat. plane?
When radar accompanies of the ROC of the Tu-154M aircraft and the rockets of 5V28, the launch trajectory of the rocket would differ significantly from the trajectory given in the MAC materials. Materials of the case do not confirm the radar support of the aircraft Tu-154M means of S-200V SPC.
11. What is the maximum allowable starting distance of the launch of 5V28 anti-aircraft missile complex C-200V could be on a unmanned target BP-3 "Flight", aircraft Tu-154m, An-24?
In order to accomplish the aircraft of the Tu-154m S-200 VPC on the range of 240 km, the launch range should be 290 km. At the same time, at the time of starting the rocket, the Tu-154m plane was 270 km and in another angular direction than the target.
12. Was it possible on 04.11.2001 by radio engineering means of the anti-aircraft missile complex C-200V, according to their tactical and technical characteristics to simultaneously reveal and accompany the air unmanned target BP-3 "Flight", aircraft Tu-154m, An-24?
No, Radiotechnical facilities S-200V Spring facilities do not allow simultaneously to reveal and accompany all three target named.
13. Does the time starts the launch of 5V28 missile, when the Tu-154m aircraft is crashes and is determined by the Commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee, the trajectory of the flight of the missile 5B28 of the objective control data specified in the investigation materials provided by the MAC Commission is possible?
Rocket launch 5V28: 12 h. 41 min. 20 s. in Kiev time (9 o'clock. 41 min. 20 p. UTC). In the MAK materials, discrepancies at certain times of the Tu-154m aircraft were revealed. The probable time of the Catastrophe of the Tu-154m aircraft may be time 9 hours. 49 min. - 9 h 50 min. UTC. The results of the examination showed that the launch trajectory of the Rocket launch in the MAC 5B28 is contrary to the actual principles of the functioning of the S-200V Sprink in the target.
14. There are evidence that the aircraft disaster occurred as a result of the action of the ammunition factors of the combat 5b14sh rocket 5V28?
See PP. 16, 17.
15. Can be carried out radar support of the aircraft Tu-154M radar of the anti-aircraft missile complex with 200V and the guidance of the rocket to target until the war undermining in case of turning off the power of the ROC, and is contained in the materials of the Interstate Aviation Committee, evidence confirming the fact that the ROC has been included ?
When turning off the power of the ROC, it was impossible to accompany the aircraft Tu-154m, and it is also impossible to guide the rocket to the target and the activation of its radio. Evidence on the work of the ROC to radiation until the Catastrophe of the Tu-154M aircraft in the MAC materials are missing.
16. What could lead to the catastrophe of the aircraft Tu-154m?
17. Where was the source of influence on the aircraft Tu-154M flight Tel-Aviv-Novosibirsk, with the RA-85693 side number (inside or outside such an aircraft), which resulted in 10/04/2001 the aircraft crash of such an aircraft?
The Tu-154M crash of the aircraft occurred due to its part in the direction of the middle of numerous solid objects, which had a circular cross section with a diameter of about 10 mm and had significant kinetic energy. Belonging to a specific explosive device of affecting elements cannot be established due to the lack of relevant identifying signs. Due to the lack of the upper external part of the aircraft glider, it is impossible to establish a specific location of the source of influence on the elements of the lesion.
What we know about the catastrophe above the Black Sea October 4, 2001 is a "heavy aircraft crash that occurred on October 4, 2001. Above the Black Sea suffered a catastrophe Tu-154m ( registration number RA-85693, Factory 91A866) Siberia Airlines, which completed the flight SBI1812 on the route Tel Aviv - Novosibirsk. According to the conclusion of the Interstate Aviation Committee (MAC), at an altitude of 11 thousand meters, the aircraft was inadvertently shot down by the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile C-200, issued in the air within the framework of military exercises held at the Crimean Peninsula. All 66 passengers and 12 crew killed. "
That's all we know about this catastrophe. It seems that everything is simple and understandable Ukrainian air defense in the course of the exercises, on whom the President of Ukraine Kuchma was shot down by the Russian aircraft. It turns out, not everything is so simple in the events of that tragic day. If you dig a little in the history of the question, it turns out that training shootings at the Poligon of the 31st Research Center of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation (http://sevastopol.su/author_page.php?id\u003d21997&parent\u003d1034) were held at the Polygona. OPUCH: In the presence of delegations of 7 states.
Ground anti-aircraft missile complexes C-200, C-300, C-125, bundle complexes, cube, Ukrainian ships frigate "Sagaidachny" and Corvette "Lutsk", as well as the ship of the Russian Federation "Inquisitive", equipped with anti-aircraft missile complexes " OSA, "took part in the shooting on an unmanned exploring aircraft Tu-143, known as the target" Flight ". In total, 23 rockets were issued for the purposes. SBI1812 flight flew from international Airport named after David Ben-Gurion at 8:00 UTC (10.00 in Israeli time). At 9:39 UTC, the aircraft entered the area of \u200b\u200bresponsibility No. 7 of the North Caucasus Center for automated air traffic control (SKCS AUWD) "Strela" and the crew informed the dispatcher about the span of the obligatory reports of ODIRA.
The flight was carried out at an altitude of 11100 meters within the international airway B-145, which did not apply to any restrictions, including the temporary, which operated for the period of the exercises of the armed forces of air defense of Russia and Ukraine. At 9:45 UTC (13:45 Moscow time) Tape recorder CCS AOVD "Strela" recorded a beep, corresponding to the external communication crew exit, accompanied by an emotional cry. In the future, within 45 seconds, a few more signals were recorded from pressing the crew members of the onboard VHF radio station with subsequent noises and cries of crew members (including the phrase "... where (o) ...") indicating a sudden There is an emergency on board an emergency aircraft.
Almost simultaneously, with the first press, the dispatcher marked the disappearance of the plane tag from the radar screens. The plane at that time was at an altitude of 11 kilometers, about 200 kilometers south-west of Sochi. At the same time, the crew located in the same area of \u200b\u200bthe An-24 Armenian airlines aircraft was reported on the fixed outbreak above it. The coordinates of the approximate location of the aircraft were defined 42 ° 11 's. sh. 37 ° 37 'in. d., which is about 280 kilometers from Novorossiysk. For the average man, everything seems to be obvious, at first glance, but it turns out not so simple ...................
During the investigation, the following facts were established .....................
1. at 13:42 Moscow time was discontinued radiation of radar equipment of the C-200B complex of Ukrainian air defense systems.
2. According to the control of the Russian RFK "Gelendzhik" dated October 4, 2001 in airspace for 30 seconds before the explosion, a rocket 5V28 SPC from 200V was observed at a distance of 50 km from the disaster site.
3. The report claims that the Tu-143 flight target for three minutes before the Tu-154 catastrophe was destroyed by the fire of the Russian S-300 PS Sprink, located 11 km from the Ukrainian Spr S-200V.
And here it turns out everything is clear to just look at the tactical and technical characteristics of rocket systems S-200 and C-300.
The first thing that rushes into the eye is that the rocket of the Ukrainian S-200 SP-200 technically could not overcome the distance 50 km to the Tu-154 plane. (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1-200) Rocket flight speed: 700-1200 m / s, depending on the range ......
That is, the maximum distance where I could fly the rocket of Ukrainian SP-200 for 30 seconds - it is 36 km. Let me remind you that the distance from the Ukrainian Rocket S-200 to Tu-154 30 seconds to the explosion was 50 km. And then the other constructive differences of the S-200 Spring Differences are pop up, which used Ukrainian air defense and S-300 SPM who used Russian air defense. S-200 SPC uses a passive rocket guidance system to a target, and the S-300 SPC uses a semi-active rocket guidance system to target.
This means that the Rocket of the S-200 air defense system could hit the plane only if the ground locator highlighted the goal, and as a result of three minutes before the explosion, Ukrainian radar equipment was disabled. That is, it turns out a rocket of the Ukrainian SPC C-200 was not induced to the target or had already struck the target Tu-143 "Flight". And the Rocket S-300 Rocket has a more modern half-effective guidance system that allows the rocket to induce the target without the use of illumination from the Earth.
By short analysis, it can be assumed that the aircraft Tu-154 AK "Siberia" was shot down by a rocket of the C-300 Russian air defense, which captured the plane as a goal after the Ukrainian SCC system S-200 shot down the target. It is still very strange against the background of such confusing history, the fact that the Investigation of this plane crash was not the International ICAO Commission, and the Commission from representatives of Russia and Ukraine under the leadership of the Secretary of the Security Council of Russia Vladimir Rushailo.
Such a feeling that the killers investigated the murder case that they also accomplished ..................
Indirect recognition that Ukraine is not involved in the death of the AK Siberia aircraft is the retreat of Vladimir Putin immediately after the catastrophe in the evening of October 4, 2001 (http://www.newsru.com/russia/04 °ct2001/tu154_pu.html). Vladimir Putin said that the Ukrainian forces of the air defense could not bring down during the exercise the Russian Tu-154 aircraft, fallen on Thursday in the Black Sea.
"First, in advance all the necessary services in Ukraine were informed .......................... Secondly, the weapon that was used in This time, in tactical and technical data, could not get air corridors in which our aircraft was located, "Putin said.
Another question arises: "Why did Kuchma as a result recognize what Ukrainian air defense plane was shot down? ............... I have only one answer for him - Kuchma got good money for the recognition of guilt for Putin . Do not forget that Putin in 2001 just screwed down with a scandal with the APL Kursk, ...... And then there is still a loud scandal with the death of Israel's citizens.
So I had to persuade Kuchma and his military to take responsibility for the deceased people. Indirect proof of this is the fact that the court of Ukraine confirmed the innocence of the military in the crash of Tu-154 in 2001. ////
The International Aviation Committee, which is located in Moscow, directly accused Ukraine in the crash of the aircraft
- Comrade General, I wish to health.
Good evening.
Alexander Ivanovich, I read you a dry summary, I think she will tell you a lot: On October 4, 2001, the Land-Air Racket, which started on the teachings of air defense troops in the Crimea, the Tu-154 plane was shot down over the Black Sea, which followed the flight Aviv - Novosibirsk with 74 passengers and crew members on board. Russians argue that the Ukrainians were shot down. However, I know, there is another point of view. Does she know?
Interesting our origin. I imagine what a continuation will be. But I am ready for him. A large human tragedy really occurred 16 years ago on October 4th. I will tell you how it was. The planned teachings of the civil defense of Ukraine and the Air Forces were held regularly every two years. And, as a rule, the commander of the air defense troops and the Air Force of all neighboring states, including Russia, were invited. At the final stage of the firing, the commander of the air defense and Air Force and Air Force of Russia, the Colonel Cornkov General reported on the tragedy that occurred over the Azov Sea. Naturally, all those present expressed condolences. Then no one else knew what happened.
- And he said, what kind of tragedy?
What a plane disappeared ...
- ... disappeared ...
- ... crashed a plane over the Azov Sea. By evening, it turned out that over black. And, of course, first of all reacted, because the teachings were held with us. I flew to Cape Opuk and demanded a selection of all starts that were committed at that moment. In time and opportunities, only one complex was suitable - C-200, which theoretically could reach the aircraft, because practically he shoots on targets for a range of 70 kilometers. But the place of the death of the aircraft is still not installed, so the wording itself "was hit by a rocket" - not quite accurate. We all checked and opened a criminal case, as well as the General Prosecutor's Office of Russia. However, the first arousal was under the article "Terrorism". And then they began to search for debris. Why is the exact location of the plane crash? Because they were charged for a long distance. But some fragments were raised by the rescue means of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation. Although the most interesting started later. On the 12th day after the catastrophe, the International Aviation Committee, which is in Moscow, directly accused Ukraine in the crash of the aircraft. Compare: three years ago, Malaysian Boeing was shot down, and there is still no final investigation materials. Despite the fact that the wreckage of this aircraft was on Earth, and there - at a depth of 2000 meters. And on the 12th day, Ukraine was accused of a catastrophe! The Russian Federation gave a criminal case of the General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine, which began a very careful investigation. And here we went nonostovka. The first: from those fragments that were found, no fragment of the external plating of the aircraft was damaged, and there were quite a few of them. Including the nasal part of the aircraft, where they simply were obliged to be, but they were absent. However, on the inner parts of the aircraft, between the first and second salon, there were damage ...
- ... was the explosion from the inside?
Further, the International Aviation Committee said that the explosion occurred in 18 meters above the tail of the aircraft. How they determined it, we are incomprehensible to us. This class of rockets, type of complexes, shoots not in time, but to improve. Fragments of the projectile and combat striking elements were found. Unfortunately, in the bodies of the dead. We spent all kinds of analyzes. Here is a new inconsistency: they did not coincide with each other. A spectral analysis showed that they do not belong to the combat part of the rocket. Because we disassemble the shells that were made in one workshop with the previous and subsequent numbers, in relation to the released, and among themselves they did not coincide. The remnants of the explosive, which is used in the combat part, were also absent on these afflicting elements. But there was a conventional explosive that is used for homemade bombs.
- Conclusion: This plane shot down not Ukraine?
Not all the conclusion!
- ... yeah! ..
We took water samples at a large water area at the crash site. Rocket fuel was obliged there to stay there, it could not go anywhere, but it was not. Aviation fuel was missing - no. What is a missile? Yes, this is a set of elementary pipes. Not a single fragment of the rocket in the sea found. Parts of the aircraft were, but the rockets are not. The investigation continued for 10 years, because people died, and there should be no effect here. Case closed. Then the Russian side (Siberia Airlines) already demanded compensation from us, the case was excited again. But all investigators came to the conclusion that evidence that the plane was hit by a rocket, no!
- So, the plane was not shot down by the Ukrainian rocket?
The plane was not shot down by the Ukrainian rocket.
- What happened to him, in your opinion? Some inner explosion, terrorist attack?
Judging by all the studies, including those that we conducted abroad (some of them cannot be confirmed), the plane was blown up from the inside. It was carefully prepared. Time is chosen good! We are in 20 days ...
- ... declared ...
- ... Yes, they filed information to Munich that we close the area so that they handed it all that with such a time on such a time, with an accuracy of a minute, rocket firing would be carried out in such a direction ...
- …all clear…
But the behavior of the plane was strange, he also deviated from the course, he should not fly there at all!
What do you think the purpose of this terrorist attack, if he was such (and we tend to this), was to substitute Ukraine?
I don't think it is. As accompanying - maybe I do not exclude that. But the cause of this catastrophe, in my opinion, you need to search for passengers of that aircraft.
- A lot of head scars appeared after this tragedy?
The proceedings on this case lasted 10 years. But from the first day he independently decided on resignation. I didn't remove me from office. I just understood responsibility, and how this situation will affect the country's image. Moreover, Ukraine was then in a difficult internal and foreign policy. And I considered my duty not just to ask, but to demand a resignation from the president in order to minimize the problems. Of course, you don't cry with anyone's mouth, everyone has its own opinion, but I think that I have it to some extent.
There were no tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine
Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk, who accepted the historical decision to refuse Ukraine from nuclear weapons, has repeatedly justified me why it was necessary to do. What do you think it was necessary to give a nuclear weapon to Ukraine?
You know it was inevitable. Just inevitability. I am surprised, Dmitry Ilyich, listening to those numerous "experts" who know what nuclear weapons are. Yes, this is not a secret for Ukraine, we participated in its development, we have enough scientists in this area. But let's see what we had? It did not stand in service, but was made from strategic offensive arms. These are intercontinental ballistic rockets, strategic aviation complexes with covered missiles and frontal aviation. I just want to say (few people know about it) that there were no tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine. He was taken before the collapse of the Soviet Union. If you cut off a person's head, then what will leg and hands do? Nothing. It is about the same. Management of these weapons comes from the Unified Center.
- From Moscow?
Yes. And at the place - execution in automatic mode ...
- ... and point ...
All codes - there. If someone disagrees and says that we ourselves could, we have many scientists, I will answer that there is no! When the weapon is being developed, the control system is created. Well, if we, like North Korea, the entire power of the country was thrown on the creation of nuclear weapons (although there were no such money), maybe in 15-20-30 years we would have created something. But by that time, we would no longer have nuclear weapons physically. Because in 1997, all conceivable ...
- ... Timing ...
- ... storage is over. And just in case, every fighting head, when they stood on battle duty, from time to time checked, tested ...
- ... specialists from Moscow ...
- ... Five research institutes that were at different points, I will not say where exactly ...
- …In Russian federation?
Including in the Russian Federation.
NATO is a distant perspective for a warring country
- Ukraine needs to join NATO, in your opinion?
I want to remind you that Ukraine has committed such attempts for a long time. In 1997, in Madrid, we signed the Charter on a special partnership with NATO. Well, this is a straight road. Even in those who are in NATO today (our former comrades in the Warsaw Agreement), there was no such privilege. In the basics of foreign policy, it has long been recorded that our strategic goal is the Euro-Atlantic integration while maintaining normal relations with Russia.
- So you need to join?
I believe that the first stage, which should last in our situation no more than two or three years is to maximize the standards of the Alliance. As for NATO, this is a distant prospect for a warring country, so let us focus on its standards, and then we will be very close to it.
Alexander Ivanovich, tell me who, in your opinion, was the best president of Ukraine for all the years of independence? I ask this question to many of my guests ...
- (Thought). You asked a very direct question, and I need to be correct (smiles), because I served at the four Supreme Commanders. (Thought).Leonid Makarovich Kravchuk committed not just a vital, but an unsurpassed civil feat. He practically completely gave himself, making a decision and participation in the creation of independent Ukraine. He risked everyone ...
- …of course…
- ... family, name, not to mention life. We no longer performed such a scale, and given its significance - and not commit. Progress President is Leonid Danilovich Kuchma. And I will focus on him, because with his presidency it was clear where we go. He is often accused of multi-vector. So listen, but at that moment it was evil for Ukraine?
- ... the only way out ...
Be understandable to all neighbors, close and distant - this is a normal phenomenon ...
- ... I left my grandmother, I left the grandfather ...
It was the best solution at that time until the country rises. And Leonid Danilovich did everything to go from the factory pipe smoke. After him, this was no longer. I think so.
- Even harder the question: who in Ukraine was the best defense minister for all the years of independence?
- ... You were twice the minister ...
- ... in six governments, by the way. I am with very great respect to Konstantin Morozov.
- First Minister?
Yes. He is an intellectual, an exceptionally decent, demanding general. And I imagine what Titanic work he spent at the start of the creation of the Armed Forces.
You were twice were Minister of Defense of Ukraine. Longer than you, I calculated, this post did not occupy anyone in the country. Recently, in this studio, in the same chair, Sergey Pashinsky was sitting. And that for almost 26 years of independence, all the ministers of defense cleaned the army and thus reduced its combat readiness. You too?
Pashinsky was sitting in this chair, and I would listen to what he would speak, if he had sitting in the chair of the Defense Minister at least a few days. He would not really, but in order. The Minister of Defense has nothing to do with the things that he so cheerfully stated. Listen, well, the people's deputy on the status of status is allowed to grind anything, and he does not answer for it. So, the Minister of Defense does not deal with these issues. And the fact that Pashinsky is accused is impossible for any minister of this department. Ukraine has a rather tough procedure and approach to the management of all property of the Ministry of Defense. Naturally, with me (given how many years I have occupied this post) some types of weapons decreased. However, let me tell you about what Pashansky does not know. I heard, he has a secretary in his committee, I do not remember his last name, but he also loves to talk. So, let's see: Fighter Aviation Park consisted of SU-27, MiG-29, MiG-23, SU-17B, Yak-28 and MiG-21 on storage. Bombarding Aviation: Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22, Tu-22m3. Front: Su-24, Su-25. Plus sea aviation, four types of helicopters and tanks. Main combat tanks: T-80 two modifications (one was produced in Leningrad, the other in Kharkov), T-64 - in Ukraine, T-72 - in Chelyabinsk, and on the storage bases - T-62 and T-55 with relevant dates manufacturing. The same thing on the fleet is seven different complexes of anti-air defense. That's what to do with all this? Therefore, the General Staff ...
- ... makes a decision ...
- ... Yes, on the basis of the State Program for the Construction and Development of Armed Forces for the period up to 2005. I headed the group on its development. And this is the only state program that has been completed. But I already testified this is not me, but Anatoly Stepanovich Gritsenko, who became Minister of Defense at the summary of the results. And here in this program, all the needs of the army in accordance with the specified period are clearly painted. Everything else is to the government, on the ruling of the Cabinet of Ministers, and then they are already dealt.
The occupation of the Crimea began several years before the actual events
How could it turn out that when Yanukovych, the ministers of defense were Salamatin close to Russia and in general a citizen of the Russian Federation Lebedev? What was it?
These gentlemen were in the Verkhovna Rada two convocations. Who could know that they are citizens of Russia?!
- And Salamatin is also a citizen of Russia?
As far as I understand, yes.
- ... yeah, that is, both ...
Yes, if they are! A citizen of Russia was the chairman of the SBU!
- ... Yakimenko, yes ...
But how did you know this information?! And they were for a long time and incomprehensible for what purpose. In Ukraine, I think about it knew a narrow circle of people. And everything else knew not from us.
I will ask you a very important question: imagine that at the time of the seizure of Crimea Russia, you are the Minister of Defense of Ukraine. Your actions?
Well, I already heard in this studio of some masterkharkhov - a checker of Mahali, the planes were drunk, the troops were output. But besides sadness, it does not cause anything. First, I will say unequivocally: at the time when I was a minister of defense, it was impossible!
- Impossible?
No! And no one could look in the direction of Ukraine. And it was not only for me it was. Until a certain point ...
- …interesting…
- ... Because the armed forces were powerful enough. Yes, they were underfinancing and very seriously, but also spirit, training, and the state of technology did not give a chance of a possible aggressor. And then, the economy of the country was different, she could work at war. One army is not able to fight.
- Well, "Green men" appeared in Crimea. You are the Minister of Defense. Your actions?
So not very "green men" the Crimea took.
- …It's clear...
I was already there on the third of March ...
- …in Crimea?..
Yes. And - in the form. Open, by a regular plane, with one assistant ...
- ...Wow!
I, starting from the first appearance of these "men" in the Council of Ministers and in the Supreme Council of Crimea, the mailly called each commander of the part (and they all knew me well and respected), and they reported to me that they were going on. Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers I proposed to organize immediate field meetings ...
- ... in Simferopol? ..
Of course. Unfortunately, not a glad nor the Cabinet of Cabinet. True, later, but also in March, the then Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Yarema made an attempt to fly to the Crimea. He invited me and the shady. But we reached only Borispol. Neither Belbek nor any other airfield has no longer accepted us, everything was closed. And on the third of March, I would freely drove out of the airport Simferopol to the transferred, where the ground brigade of marine defense was concentrated - our main military StrengthAnd there they themselves gathered all the commanders of the parts of the Crimea, knowing that I enhance ...
- …Wow!
So it was a picture: I stopped the car, came out. Around - ring of "green men" with arms, snipers. Then - a dense ring of the Cossacks with Russian banners. And then - the locals even more dense ring around our military unit. That is, the local population and the Cossacks were covered ...
- ... as a shield ...
- ... troops that came. They were a little, our brigade would be confused.
- What did commanders tell you the commanders? They were ready?
Yes, I met not only with commander parts and soldiers, and also with locals and the Cossacks.
- What did they say?
My first question was mine. I asked what tasks were the minister of defense, the head of the General Staff, the commander of the Troops? Everyone, and there were 28 or 32 them, I do not remember ...
- ... commanders parts? ..
Yes. "Trimaytsya!", That's how they answered them. Well, they "trighed". And I want to say that they "trighed" more than three weeks, and this gave us the opportunity to start partial mobilization in Ukraine. They shoved Russian troops, and at that time they began to unfold. And it played a role. As for the readiness of the troops, the entire brigade, the number of 2000 people stood on the fee.
- But not enough?
This is only one brigade ...
- ... not enough?
2000 people for the brigade is enough. They sang the anthem of Ukraine, and Russians with the Cossacks listened to meters in 50. This is the brigade, which, then for the most part, passed on the side of the Russian Federation ...
- ... But in the same thing and the point!
But at that moment she sang the anthem of Ukraine.
Okay. Sergey Pashinsky told me, and I agree with this that betrayal was so massive and in the army, and in the SBU, and in the police that there was no one to fight. So, tell me?
Very subtle special operation was conducted by the Russian Federation. Not only to Crimeans, but also our servicemen inspired that they were cast there that Ukraine would throw them ...
- ... And we will give you everything ...
Not even it was the main thing. In addition, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces made a big mistake that I spoke a few months before the events at the scientific and practical conference in the General Staff and just on the example of this brigade. There, troops were equipped with 80% were equipped with Crimeans. And this, of course, played their role. And because the occupation of the Crimea began not in February and not in January, but a few years before actual events. Look, combed all the SBU, all the police, made a branch of Enakievo completely. What information could go from there? And from whom? Combed and military units. We will not soon find out the whole truth.
- That is, it was preparing in advance?
Yes. And in January, the Cossacks have already come to rest ...
- ... good time to rest ...
"... bikers came to have fun in winter. So that you know: at the Olympics in Sochi, 40 thousand selected special forces stood on the passes and ensured security. And as soon as it ended, they were immediately transferred, the distance is small ...
- …interesting…
- ... on the already trained base in the Crimea. But Deceit was not even in this, but that Russians did it when Ukraine was in the hardest domestic political and economicAt the moment when she was weakened, the authorities were still practically not, they raged passion.
One short question and short answer: You are the Minister of Defense. Zawaruha begins in the Crimea. You would throw out "green men" and Russian Cossacks from the Crimea, yes or not?
- (Thought long).War (long pause) Far from personification of glory. This is an organized murder, cruelty, robbery and violence, from which old men, women and children suffer primarily.
- …so?..
Do you know who said it?
- …no…
British General Gordon. I congratulate you on such a named. To throw out "green men" ...
- ... It was necessary to kill them a little ...
- ... It was necessary to put half of the population of Crimea.
- …like this…
The military is not capable of it.
- So you would not do this?
I would not allow this, but this is another moment.
Malaysian Boeing Above Donbass was shot down by the "Buk-M1" missile complex, which belongs to the Russian Federation
- Was it necessary in 2014 to introduce martial law in Ukraine?
On June 17, 2014, I as a People's Deputy of Ukraine filed a letter to the President with his suggestions and a clear statement of the situation. After all, I was constantly at the front and saw it folded. By the way, I did not put the question of the abolition of ATO, but I offered to change the law "On the fight against terrorism" to impose management to the operational headquarters (this is exactly what is now offered) and translate the operation into the discharge of the military.
- So you then spoke it?
Yes. Then it was easy to do, but the solutions did not accept. In a month, without receiving an answer, I wrote in writing to the head of the Verkhovna Rada Alexander Turchinov. Because I saw a change in the situation. Our troops in the area of \u200b\u200bthe point of concentration in Zelenodolsky on the border with the Russian Federation were already shot by Russian artillery. And many of our servicemen died, who simply stood the camps, hoping that no one would break the border. They were cynically shot. This is already a completely different turn. I applied to a proposal to enter the Verkhovna Rada the issue of the introduction of military situation throughout Ukraine.
- What did you answer?
And they answered, by the way, positively. Then, at a closed meeting of the Verkhovna Rada, for it voted, but with one reservation: with a clear exacerbation of the situation. After that, we had Illovaisk.
- Who knocked down the MalaysianBoeing.above the Donbass, do you know?
Rocket complex "Buk-M1", which belongs to the Russian Federation. This was clearly stated ...
- ... That is, he hit his Russian federation?
- Can Russia arrange a full-scale invasion of Ukraine?
- (Thought).I do not exclude that. And that is why: we often pronounce the phrase "Hybrid War", but no one has yet figured out what it is. There is a political aspect. We are experiencing it. We achieve us to understand us in the European Union and America. We are supported. Sanctions are included. Russia has been working against us. There is a component of the information, the economic that we feel on yourself. And there is a military. And here it turns out an interesting hybrid. If at first we dealt with band formations, some groups, then in three years (which we, in general, provided that side) the following happened: the Russian Federation hired local men and women and put in line by creating the 1st and the 2nd Army Cases. And this does not need to be underestimated, they are staffed, armed and provided as typical corps and now organizationally enter the 8th Combined Guards Army of the Southern Military District. At the tactical level, all commanders are Russians.
- ... Russians ...
And now others and no. See, for three years, 17-20-year-old guys from the Donbass voluntarily (although, here you can still say exactly how voluntarily) went to learn to the highest military educational institutions of the Russian Federation. And they are returned enough seriously prepared officers ...
- ... plus spoffists ...
Sergeants, soldiers are trained in the training centers of the Russian Federation. And plus those who were told by you, who previously served. That is, it is impossible to underestimate and say that they are unorganized. Yes, there are gangs there. By the way, from 10 famous private military companies for Donbass seven walk. All these shootouts that are constantly happening ...
- ... led by Wagner, yes? ..
During these years, they from space, from air and land to atoms studied all our defense. You look, all the shelling are effective. They shoot deep, and we are dealing only with the front edge. Therefore, it is impossible to underestimate them.
Russian army in general - fightening? Are these good, strong troops? Because some experts (perhaps they are not quite profile) say that Russian nuclear weapons rusty - missiles do not take off. What are trained all badly, and the best fighting in the Donbas. What is the state of the Russian army today?
First, the highest political leadership of Russia made conclusions from the Russian-Georgian war of 2008. And now they have unprecedented army financing, an unprecedented translation of the defense and industrial complex on a closed production cycle and reform. In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense replaced the leadership of the armed forces. To this question came carefully and seriously, the top posts were appointed mainly those who passed Chechnya. As a result, today the Russian Federation has (I will call the figure for experts) 58% of the newest (not new), and the newest equipment. And first of all, this is aviation, nuclear triad and navy. Secondly, the staffing of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation today is 93%. And this is also unprecedented. Will the war against us or not? Are they preparing? .. You know, because it was still recreated and formed in the suburbs 1st tank army. And it was not for a long time, the last time it was involved in the group of Soviet troops in Germany in the 80th year. In addition, the 20th Army is deployed in Voronezh, the 8th Guards Army in the Southern District is recreated ...
- ... And here also Belarus ...
- ... Created in reserve 49th Army. As for Belarus ...
- ... exercises ...
- ... Yes, every year. And look, the exercises take place in August-September, but for some reason now the engineering parts of the 1st and 20th armies are along the Dnieper and train there. For some reason, pontoons are decomposed on the Seversky Don. 40 minutes - and they will block Seversky Donets. But I will immediately say that you can beat us, but to win - never!
- ... it is impossible to win ...
Never! With this thought they can say goodbye.
- Lose a bunch of people, right?
But an interesting moment. War is always losses. But the nation should send their actions to their minimization. This Napoleon said. Our border at the airfields of the basing of different depths prepared 500 aircraft. The only option that can be involved by the Russian Federation with a full-scale invasion (but you can imagine what international resonance will be?!) Is aviation and missile troops. By the way, the entire territory of Ukraine is shot by the means of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation without disturbing borders. All, imagine?! But imagine, I repeat once again, what resonance will be in the world? Europe will win altogether! We have 2 million inner immigrants, and if a large-scale war begins, then, according to my estimates, 6-8 million people will go to the European Union countries, in the next four, at least.
At the military adventure in Ukraine Putin pushed Ivanov and Shoigu
Alexander Ivanovich, we have six to seven minutes, we live. I have a few more questions, so I propose to continue the conversation in the half-footer mode and answer a little shorter. According to my data (from sources in Western intelligence), two people were hampered by two people, two of its closest associates: the then head of the presidential administration and former defense minister, your colleague - Sergey Borisovich Ivanov and the current defense minister Shoigu, whom you probably know. When Putin realized what, Ivanova, he was resigned, and Shoigu is now holding a hairless, especially in the light of the last incident with the film Oliver Stone about Putin, when russian president He showed the American director of the alleged air strikes of Russians in Syria, but it turned out that these were the blows of American aviation in Afghanistan. And she gave him these materials to Shoigu. Tell me, is it really so, in your opinion?
I did not attend the transfer of this video, unfortunately (smiles). Indeed, Shoigu is very close to Putin. But he did not fly alone, because it was the failure of the foreign intelligence service and the main intelligence department of the General Staff of Russia. The fact that Putin was presented inaccurate information about the fact that Ukraine will fall, and she, on the contrary, rose, and stood strong young patriots, women began to knit camouflage nets, children - draw drawings, and everyone went to fight, knowing that they go to death - That's what he did not expect!
- That is, Putin pushed at the adventure?
Of course.
- And he understood it?
Putin is an insightful and experienced person.
- Quick questions - short replies. Today is the Ukrainian army of combat?
To do this, you still need to work a lot. And not only the army, but the whole country.
- In the Ukrainian army today are many traitors recruited by Russians?
I do not exclude that, because from time to time the press appears judicial decisions on the deeds of Power Zradi.
- Corruption in the Ukrainian army is great today?
It is unknown to me, but I believe that hard measures are taken to prevent it.
- Crimea and Donbass will return to Ukraine, in your opinion?
I believe in it. But for this, Ukraine should be an example for the Crimea and Donbass.
In Russia, you probably have many friends with whom you served, in particular, in the Soviet Army. Does it manage to find a common language with them?
No. I had friends with whom I was tied with blood, fought, studied and served, and all of them are quite high-ranking ranks, but on February 28, 2014 I called them the last time. And on March 3, there was an appeal directly from the Crimea, from the passing through the press (which for some reason I was very quickly gathered) to the Minister of Defense Shoigu and Head of the General Staff Gerasimov. After that, three more than a year, I had no talk or a phone call with them.
- Do you miss them?
Some I really appreciated and respected.
You are fond of memoir and historical literature. Tell me, what books did the greatest impression?
There are memoirs, but there are theoretical developments and so on. I will quickly list. Of course, Sun Tzu is a Chinese strategist who lived in the VI century to our era. Today, by his works, the statutes can be written. Roman commander Mary. Its developments in the structure of the army are all over the world and now. Next - General Clausevitz, our Sagaidal. You read his letters, correspondence is an amazing commander. More triandafils, shaposhnikov, beetles. The only thing to read Zhukov, Konev and Rokossovsky used to be impossible - everything is permeated by party. Further - Rommel, Americans Bradley and Patton. And the most impression on me was the book of Lieutenant Colonel de Gaulle 1934!
- Zhukov was great? Yes or no?
Of course.
You are the general of the Ukrainian army. Your father was Major General, graduated from war in Germany, as part of the Soviet army. What is victory for you, and when you celebrate it?
For me is a holy day. My parents passed the whole war together, freed Ukraine, participated in Korsun-Shevchenkovsky operation. Father was the commander of the intelligence battalion, and the mother is a doctor with him. They freed Zvenigorodku, where they got married. 30 years have lived together. My grandfather served in the same battalion with a soldier. Therefore, no one will persuade me and never break.
- What date do you celebrate Victory Day?
9th May! And this is the rest of your life. And I go to the Alley of Glory, in the Museum of Great Patriotic War And food, as well as on June 22, on the Bukrin Bridgehead, where they lie, by different data, up to 200,000 of our soldiers. Read the six-liter Churchill "Second World War." He gives an assessment to the Soviet Union, the Red Army, the role of the Soviet soldier (at that time - the Red Army) in the Great Victory.
Alexander Ivanovich, I want to thank you for a sincere, good, honest interview and shake your hand not just like the Army General, the former Minister of Defense, but also as an honest soldier. Thanks.
Thank you, Dmitry Ilyich.
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